Today we’re speaking with Fr. Jonathan Loop about Religious Liberty. This, like Ecumenism, is one of the major exports of the Second Vatican Council. By it, we’re led to believe that someone’s religion is their conscience, and no one else should tell them how to believe. But Father Loop will explain to us how, while this sounds very nice, is completely missing the mark on what Liberty is – and how the Church has changed from its previous practice, of Religious Toleration.
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Video Sections:
0:00 – Video Start
1:00 – Intro with Father
3:12 – We’re Used to This
8:29 – Duties of a Catholic State
16:00 – Do Catholics Force Conversions?
19:00 – When to Tolerate Evil
24:06 – Religious Liberty
28:00 – Machiavelli
33:40 – John Locke
42:16 – Was Locke Right?
49:28 – From Locke to 20th c.
50:55 – Dignitatis Humanae
1:02:55 – Conclusion
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at the end of life none of these political philosophy would matter only our Deep Love personal to Christ and the moral compass of our private and public life will count with the Sacraments
The talks by Fr. Loop are some of the best, even if they are lengthy and somewhat dry.
Thank you, Father.
Listening to this on 9-23-24 about two weeks after Pope Francis publicly stated his opinion that all religions can lead to God. Now I understand more how he came to this. Luckily his indifferentism doesn’t change church teaching. Sadly, it sure confuses people though 😢
I know my question is being posted rather late, but wouldn't Jesus's command to preach the Gospel to "all nations" refer to the Jewish definition of nation at that time as a people rather than citizens within a certain political and geographical boundary?
I appreciate this series so much, but I have an uneasy feeling that one day the intro will say "This is episode 237 of our Crisis in the Church series".
Thank you, Father
The simplification of history given by Fr. Loop beginning around 36:00 reminds me of a book I highly recommend by Catholic historian William T. Cavanaugh titled "The Myth of Religious Violence." He points out that many of the so-called wars of religion were actually fought for several reasons in addition to religion, including economics, family ties, politics, and culture. He goes so far as to say that these wars cannot even meaningfully be called wars of religion given the complexities of causes. For instance, in one section of the book he gives a list of battles, skirmishes, conflicts, and alliances that involve Catholics vs. Protestants, Catholics vs. Catholics, Protestants vs. Protestants, Catholics vs. Catholics and Protestants, and Catholics and Protestants vs. Catholics and Protestants. The upshot of all this is that Locke, by attempting to solve the problem of religious violence by advocating a secular state, was actually missing the point of the problem itself, insofar as the problem of violence at the time was not exclusively or even predominantly religious.
Wow yt is fact checking your ideas, lol. Patgetic.
A great suffering of our day is the inability to live in a Catholic state. Thank you for this presentation. I am thinking of several people I should share this with. Truth never gets old.
In the second vatican council, are five objectionable decrees. Ecumenism, Nostra Aetate, Gaudeum et Spes, Religious LIberty, Collegiality.
The Bible is very clear that Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.” (John 18:36) "21 “Caesar’s,” they replied. Then he said to them, “So give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s (Matt. 22:21)"'.When the rich young ruler decided not to join Jesus or His Disciples, did He say to His apostles to bind him or prosecute him for heresy?
In this temporal earthly age, persistent sinners and heretics are to be dealt with ONLY WITHIN THE CHURCH NOT THE STATE. Read 1 Corinthians 5. But then again, you TradCats and RadTrads, like all other Catholics, including mainstream V2 Cats, would rather go along with the Traditions of Man over Scripture as Matthew 15:3-6 says. Separation of Church and State did NOT originate with Freemasonry, the Atlantic Revolutions of the 18th Century, or with the Enlightment that brought up those things. It originated in Biblical, NT Christianity. Mingling of church and state only came about a few hundred years later with Emperor Constantine. Keep state and Church separate but let unbelievers, heretics, and persistent sinners deal with God and His angels at the Judgement (2 Thessalonians 1:7-9). Did you or Pope Pius IX, Leo XIII, or Pius X ever took to heart the parable of the wheat and tares (Matthew 13:24-30)?
One of the best videos I’ve ever seen.
Excellent! Thank you
Brought to you by the people that brought you the Inquisition. 😳 Can’t wait to get back the time when the church and State were the same thing. Terrifying coming from 21st century Americans. Glad to know most Catholics don’t believe these fanatical ideas. 😉
The thing with the Albigensians was NOT war, they were unarmed, it was GENOCIDE … the Vatican thru Pope JP2 formally apologized to their descendants but it was refused … a church with so much blood in its history can never be of God's … the repentance and renunciation started with PJ23 and VC2 and continues to this day … Glory to God Eternal
I've always read that sspx were schismatics but now I'm not so sure
Seems like it ends up that, everything is allowed except Worship of God, in "religious liberty."
Due to.the longstanding preference for monarchies….preferably Catholic monarchies….and so called Catholic confessional states, what Fr. is talking about is that there is no "religious liberty" to choose a faith in error.
Now, to tell me that religious liberty is a grater affront to God than abortion is….is too much.
Christ himself said Render into Caesar what is Caesar's and that His kingdom us not of this world.
The Catholic Church was never meant to be an all encompassing ideology like Islam and just because some past Popes believed it is doesn't make them right.
God gave every man free will to choose to follow Christ. Man is not compelled by God to follow Christ.
Religious liberty is a Cause; Abortion is a Consequence. Apple vs orange.
Gabriel García Moreno….the perfect Example of the Catholic State
Thank you so much for all your work! Deo gratias! May God bless you!
I wish Fr. Loop would define the word "public" in context. Do Protestants worship privately in their churches? Do they worship publicly when they preach on street corners or on the front lawns at their churches? Naturally, I agree with him, but "public" is a vague word. So it's hard to tell the difference between a public event and a private one.
This wonderful SSPX ‘course’ has clarified so much for me; especially roots of the madness and absurdities that are ripping our cultures and societies apart..This obsession with self gratification, intellectual pride, unlimited license has distorted all that is good, all that is beautiful and all that is true. Society has become a nightmare of violence against our True human dignity that is leaving our children suicidal, angry and rudderless in a vast, stormy sea of ambiguities and lies. The Church has been a negligent ‘mother’ for so many generations!! Her ‘children’ are lost, suffering and unrecognizable as children of God.
Thank you so very much for this illuminating series
There can be no true rights, that entitle people to refuse God what is due to him. Because rights are meaningless, if they are not reflections of the Right-eousness of God, from Whom all right is derived. God is the very Standard of all good, and all right & all truth. So no rights can be contrary to God.
But the right to worship “other gods” is a right (so-called) to refuse God what is due to Him – it is a “right” to commit (spiritual) adultery.
Thank you
The title was quite shocking to me, so I clicked it.
I am at the beginning of the video. I am intrigued.
Not sure who gets to decide what we believe but as an EO I doubt I want SSPX to!
Of course it is. Without religious liberty, we wouldn't have legalized abortion. Nor a great many other legalized evils. Take divorce (not my wife), please.
With regard to the rites of the Jews and how we should tolerate them, I remember reading somewhere that a certain preacher agreed with what St. Thomas says about tolerating their rites, but with one exception, namely we should not tolerate a certain rite where the Nazarene sect is cursed. This was one of the so-called benedictions at the beginning of the medieval synagogue rite and the cursing of the Nazarene sect was, of course, a cursing of Christ and His church. This is the one thing according to this preacher (I wish I could remember his name – possibly also a Dominican) that should not be tolerated. Therefore a Catholic government would dictate to the Jews that they could indeed have a service, but must not say this curse in Hebrew or in any other language….Has Father Loop heard of this exception? Thank you for the program….It is extremely interesting….Stephan in Ottawa
Another fantastic episode. Thank you. Would it be correct to say that Maritain's adherence to Locke, and his influence of Pope Paul VI as well as other Council Fathers had an effect on the council?
One World Religion is like One-Size Underwear. Sure to fit everyone.
Thank you so much for this series. It is a great source of light and significantly assists in bringing in new souls to Tradition. Our priests are so knowledgeable and articulate.
Oh Lord grant us priests,
Oh Lord grant us holy priests,
Oh Lord grant us many holy priests,
Oh Lord grant us many holy religious vocations.
Oh Lord grant us many holy Catholic families.
Sancte Pie diceme… Ora pro nobis
Another great episode! God bless Fr. Loop and SSPX.
I don’t follow SSPX but have respect for them. No reason to attack followers of SSPX as I read the comment mention. With TLM being gradually banned who knows where some of us might have to go. Sadly I have no SSPX church near me