We’re really looking at the plusses and minuses of this whole ordeal…
Links to referenced videos are down here, too! So I don’t wanna hear any complaints about cards not working, ok?
The DVD-RAM video
The SD logo video
The PlayStation video
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If Sony weren't constantly being Sony I wouldn't have to keep making jokes about how Sony they are.
Also, quick note! The whole DVD+VR and DVD-VR thing in DVD recorders is extra petty because there was absolutely no reason you couldn't have adapted the DVD+VR format to DVD-R media. Except… licensing. Sony and Philips apparently kept that to themselves so that DVD-R media would always have this limitation in DVD recorders; but it has nothing to do with the physical differences between the formats. And it appears some later Pioneer DVD recorders did, in fact, get around this limitation in one way or another.
Optical media copy protection was won by daemon tools' ability to change it's icon from red to green. Lol.
they actually mattered more in dual-layer recording. First, DVD-R DL discs had a notoriously high failure rate, and the layer break was at the edge of the disc. If that edge was slightly scratched, even inside the spindle cases, you're screwed. Plus, the LPP recording didn't make matters any better either.
DVD+R DL discs however had a more flexible layer break mode, which means it doesn't need to transition to the other layer at the edge of the disc. Plus, the ADIP making it easier to manufacture meant that DL discs were produced with less faults.
The remark about Sony being Sony on the pinned comment has aged beautifully.
I remember that time you went on a liberal Democratic tirade at the end of your solar video.
0:25 did he just max-headroom us?? Cool
@7:05 Must be a record? No that's a disc.
That was a great Max Headroom impression! 😁👍🏻
Legend
sufjan!!!
at 16:15 appropriately was spelled with an extra r
About the DVD recorder bits, there is one thing about the +R and -R difference that i have noticed after working on several dozens of them. A lot of times when i get dvd recorders with worn or partially failed pickups, almost all of the times, they would still be able to record, format and read dvd+ just fine but would have issues or straight up refuse to read -R standard. So far this has happened to me with basically every multi standard dvd recorder i worked on. Could have been coincidence but i don't know
Damn. Needed this video 30 years ago.
Where's the video on the weird one offs
I've always wondered what the heck the deal was with those two! And of course, like all of us here, we're left scratching our heads about whether it matters or not – basically no, but maybe an occasional yes with a particularly picky device of some type.
All I remember is when pirating ps2 games it has to be on dvd-r not dvd+r
Wait… So if the "RW" in CD-RW/DVD-RW/DVD+RW stands for "ReWritable" what does the "R" in CD-R/DVD-R/DVD+R stand for? "Ritable"?
Optical Media BAD
TIL i learned the DVD forum doesn't exist anymore since last year.
I always thought it was plus and minus 😂
It's been 5 years… but you forgot a small detail. Even though compatible with both DVD-R and DVD+R, a lot of drives only supported DVD-RW, but not DVD+RW. Or their supported write speeds were significantly different. That DVD DVR you showed at the end is an example of this (ironically, being a Panasonic device, it's the DVD+R it is slower at and the DVD+RW it doesn't support).
@17:30 I used to burn a lot of DVD's back in the day for both video and data storage. As far as data is concerned, I never really noticed a problem of having to finalize before it would work on any DVD player. Since I was adding files occasionally until the disk was full I always had access to the files as long as it was on the same computer with the burn software that I've been using to burn the data in the first place. Sure I couldn't use the disk in another computer but that wasn't really something I was concerned with. About the only time I can think of that it was somewhat inconvenient was when I was giving the police some CCTV footage I had and I only had DVD's to burn it on so I felt like I was wasting a bunch of space finalizing but I had to do it so they could read the data on their computers.
ahh, the good old days of renting DVDs, using Dvd Decrypter and Dvd Shrink to make a subpar copy (if you were lucky, a shorter movie fit at 100% if you left out all the dvd extras, including extra audio). The best part of that was when you put the dvd in, it just started playing the movie straight away without even pushing a button.
I know people who did that to sell them, but I still have all mine in the basement somewhere. Dvd blank media with shaky sharpie writing "Iron Man' on the front lol. I still have CD-Rs from copies of other CDs, and even several dusty cassettes recorded from radio from VERY long ago.
And now here I am with a shelf full of genuine blu-rays I scavenge from thrift stores.
DVD+R was slightly better because of bitestting (ability to change what the finalized disc reports itself as) and IME better compatibility with DVD video players. That said, I had an OG Xbox with a Thompsen drive that refused to read + discs but had no problem with – discs, so I had experience with both. In 90% of cases they were cross-compatible, but those edge cases were definitely an annoyance, if you were serious about burning, you needed to be familiar with both types of media and accept that sometimes you will have compatibility issues and will waste blanks.
I really miss that purple color…
12:55 oneplus
I get the argument of dash>minus when it comes to the English language, but a lot of other languages don't really have a word for "dash" that's more practical than minus, especially when pronouncing DVD-R. So for a lot of us it will always be DVD plus and minus and we will translate it to English that way.
I remember being told:
"Buy minus they are more reliable"
4:28 That’s embarrassing
the way mr connections says "ugh, humans." makes me think hes an alien thats taken a liking to earth technology and has dedicated his life to cataloging it
The only reason I needed to buy a DVD+R-capable burner was to produce, uhhh, factory-fresh Wii and Gamecube games. They were less of a problem for the consoles' reading. That's the only reason I've had to think about this nonsense!
Alec, can you confirm this? I can't recall where I read it. That on digital optical media, the pits and lands do NOT represent 1s and 0s. They actually are the zero-crossings of an analog, yes, analog! signal which in turn carries the digital data kinda like an analog signal from a modem carries data.
I'm old enough to remember when laptops had ports on them. Phones too. Man, those were the days.
I guess the many re-recordings make sense if they are used to backup, especially in a CCTV situation where the footage is recorded over ever 24-72 hours.
by 2002 Apple was already agressively removing built-in drives and only offering external ones
Myself and did testing of failed burns. We found it was more related to the brand. Taiyo Yuden and verbatim were the best.
even in 2005 there was needs for more than 750 megabytes of storage you are grossly underestimating people's needs and wants
I always referred to DVD-R as “minus”. I don’t know why…. Maybe because of the DVD+R.
Wish i had seen this 20 years ago
Love the Segway to the next video saying the copy protection. Nerds know Sony did it again with the ps2 wobble plus seeing if it was a proper disc
It's plus and minus, not plus and dash. My God, where you from.
Groovy. I remember the debates, and plenty of myths surrounding the +R and -R. Both types worked on my Liteon burner, so I never worried which type I picked up at the store.
5 Years later.. I'm still buying spindles and burning DVDs (÷R) 😊
I remember the Wii having a very very unreliable double layer dvd laser which made a lot of burned disks fail even though this capability was used for like 2 games
It's not a record. It's a cd.
I remember back in the day of DVD players, if you bought an expensive DVD player it wouldn't played burned disks but if you bought a cheap DVD player it would play burned disks… It almost felt like you was paying more to have copy protection built in which sucked!
I can imagine it's similar with Blu-ray players, we bought an expensive one and its region locked which I found out when I bought continuum and the 4th series was only available as an American release. I tried to rip the disk but its encrypted so you can't even copy it to play it. I just "illegally" downloaded series 4 and put it on the TV hard drive as I had no way to watch something I had actually bought. To be honest I could probably get my PS3 back out and install CFW which allows region free Blu-ray and DVD playback. Continuum series 4 was never released in the UK region when I originally bought the full thing
If i remeber correctly, there was also a brief war between Bluray and DVD-HD.
I may have a massive number of OG Xbox, PS2 and 360 discs somewhere……
I’m still burning M discs since they are likely to long outlive any flash or hard drive out there
Talking of Sony ‘doing their own thing’ – lookup the Sony Rootkit Scandal.