W. Bryan Hubbard joins Secretary Kennedy to discuss ibogaine and the future of psychedelic medicine.
Hubbard is the chief executive officer of Americans for Ibogaine. He previously served as the first chairman and executive director of the Kentucky Opioid Abatement Advisory Commission, where his work addressing the opioid crisis led him to advocate for research into new approaches to addiction treatment.
They discuss ibogaine’s potential for opioid addiction, PTSD, and traumatic brain injury, the serious risks involved, and why rigorous scientific research is needed to determine whether these therapies are safe and effective.
In this episode:
00:00 Introduction
02:08 Bryan Hubbard’s Story
04:22 Appalachia and the Opioid Crisis
09:40 The Kentucky Opioid Commission
12:19 Bryan’s Experience with Psychedelics
16:11 Discovering Ibogaine
18:55 Rethinking Psychedelic Medicine
20:35 Ibogaine and Opioid Addiction
22:13 Recovery Beyond Ibogaine
26:33 The Need for Rigorous Research
29:15 The Cost of Addiction Treatment
31:39 Veterans, PTSD and Traumatic Brain Injury
34:56 The Future of Psychedelic Medicine
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I believe these therapies in conjunction with hyperbaric oxygen therapy could have profound effects on the brain.
Es una actuación conjunta de las setas y a la misma vez restaurar la microbiota intestinal y debido a la importancia ciudadana lo incluiría en un plan militar dirigido por militares donde se envía al drogadicto unos meses sale limpio y además se le informa de la importancia del asunto de las drogas enmarcado en un ambiente antiterrorista reforzado con actividades deportivas y de integración social. Además cuando sale se puede convertir en denunciante de trafico de drogas en su lugar de residencia con contacto directo a los militares
Former Meth and Cocaine user here. Spent about a year taking LSD once a week or so, and periodically some psilocybin mushrooms. NEVER looked back to the “drug world” for my fix. I am a firm believer now in the power of restoring our minds, bodies, and yes our souls. Not just with psychedelics but, with a range of what used to be known as “alternative” or “fringe” compounds.
The City of London definitely doesn't want us to know about ibogaine.
You know what to do.
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Appreciate the honest and thorough discussion about what this does/can do and risks.
BOBBY! You need to prepare better if you are to be believed! At least know the subject and the history of your guest better!! There has got to be better representatives than this guy who is Not believable with his talking points and prepared speech!!! PATHETIC… And I agree with you on this subject!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Our warriors & law enforcement need an opportunity to heal. And WE OWE IT TO THEM to have this choice in their recovery experiences. ❤
I think, this needs to be very carefully looked into. No knee jerk reaction to it, tested, and re tested, for a while, before, we know what’s best. What I never understood was, why do they give another street drug, to an addict, getting off the first drug. I know someone who works at a place with ex addicts. And it’s 10 or more years these addicts are on the same drug, that was supposed to get them off drugs period. Please explain why. Thank you in advance. Best wishes. Grateful and blessed ♥️♥️🙏🙏🇺🇸🇺🇸
Thank you Pres Trump and Sec Kennedy for showing no fear in pursuit of solutions that can help Americans facing debilitating conditions. A remarkable interview!
Used psilocybin mushrooms 1 time and kicked a 30yr cigarette addiction…..decided to use them again and went on a health journey, lost 100lbs and feel and look better than i ever have…..haven't used mushrooms in almost 2yrs…..i feel like its a medicine at this point to fix your soul, your being
Hey Bryan! FYI , and for future reference, I'm thinking you misspoke about 'the methamphetamines prescribed to children' (at about 7:10), as that drug (Desoxyn) is and was only very rarely used for children. You're obviously talking about other kinds of amphetamines, like Adderall.
Thank you, Sec Robert F Kennedy for having the amazing W. Bryan Hubbard on to discuss this very important work, and to showcase and expose the rampant abuse by our systems against it's citizens. Praying that these medicines get approved, but also wary of those with ill intent. As to the numbers regarding risk and cost, the cost of doing nothing is greater and the risk is almost mitigated to zero with proper screening.
Well if RFK Jr says so it must be true.
What kind of dialect is that this man is speaking??
My problem is watching both my sons being addicted to Suboxone for over fifteen years. The drug dealer on the streets is now the government and medicaid pays for it all, Whats the difference between being hooked on hard street drugs or Suboxone? One is just legal and lines the politicians and big pharma pockets.
If Secretary Kennedy decided to run for POTUS, I would decide he would get my vote. Sorry JD, don't believe you.
Kennedy/Rubio 2028. Experience matters.
The top 3 drugs in America are nicotine, caffeine and alcohol. And our DC drug pushers have cashed in while the American people fill early graves in the name of Uncle Sam's filthy hand.
Alcohol was prohibited until Uncle Sam needed American addictions to replenish our cofers after World War II.
Update me when a stoner drives the wrong way on any interstate and killing a family, again, again, again.
America still ain't great with that kind of defense of Liberty.
Today America is great as you can take this to the bank: 488 Americans will be killed today by a drunk driver. 🇺🇸
"Oil & Opium," by Hellbound Glory…surprise Uncle Sam is our drug pusher at ALL levels.
Thankyou sir
Facts
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Thank you both for sharing this important information.
This is MK Ultra… I blame the Kennedy Military for 9/11.
This was undoubtedly the greatest and most important interview regarding true health—specifically integral, ancestral, and super-cosmic medicine. This medicine arrives at this "stellar station known as Earth" via our Solar Logos, yet originates from Sources far beyond this galaxy! What coherent, eloquent information this wise man shared with us. This is the medicine that will soon be available worldwide—alongside orthomolecular medicine and all of Earth's complementary therapies—in a form that is purely integral and natural, encompassing all the multidimensional bodies of the human being:Body, Mind, Emotion, and Spirit. This stands in stark contrast to the practices of the so-called learned sages of the West, who practice the medicine of Majestic-12 and their Deep State lackeys. Unfortunately, wise men like him are still viewed with skepticism and dismissed as conspiracy theorists by minds cemented in Deep State science—much like my grandfather and brothers (all doctors) experienced during their conference presentations; they came to Earth to bring true science to the human race and were assassinated by the French Cabal for doing so, having been monitored while conducting research at the Pasteur Institute in Paris. Congratulations to this incredible human being—for whom I already feel deep admiration and respect—and to you, RFK Jr., for finding him and resonating with the supra-dimensional content he champions. He fights to make this knowledge official while contending with minds cemented in allopathic medication and poisoned food and water.
Wow…Wow!! Bravo!!! Bravo!!! Deep gratitude.❤️💖❤️⚖️👏👏👏👏👏👏🙏💫🫴💐
Another great show Mr. Secretary.
It doesn't hurt to try you never know what might help. Anything to get these people off these horrible drugs that they've got in our streets right now
Why such an obsession with ibogaine when psilocybin shows so much promise with very little side effects?
love this and love you both !! thank you for doing this and all your work !!! ❤
I appreciate hearing important discussions like this.
Thank you very much Secretary Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. & W. Bryan Hubbard. Very interesting conversation.
Ibogaine is one of many psychedelics. LSD and Psilocybin are nearing FDA approval for Anxiety and depressing.
Let medicine be thy food and food be thy medicine. Therefore, as humans, we are not constructed from plants. We are constructed with protein, cholesterol, fat, water and those are the nutrients which are the necessary compounds and provide the nutrients which help us thrive. Change what you are eating to nutrients first. If, and only if you still suffer when you have been strict (as in Lion or Carnivore menu), then would it be appropriate to supplement with something else. I speak these things from experience. 9/10/2026
Very interesting W Bryan is so well spoken. Learned a lot!
Good job! You both are and will help a lot of people! GOD BLESS❤️🤍💙
What an interesting dude 😎
I feel so hopeful! Thank you Mr. Hubbard, Secretary Kennedy and President Trump ❤
I pray someone like RFK, who is (openly) in recovery, does not think it is okay to do psychedelics.
Ibogaine is well-documented to cause severe, potentially fatal heart problems. Seriously doubt God wants us taking mind altering drugs to heal or see that a Creator exists; just look around and think about how everything is miraculous.
Doors of Perception
Get off the DOPE. Its not mind expanding. This was always an interest of mine since high school in the 70's Natural plants and fungi have always been here. Man concentrated alcohol into hard liquor, plants into "medicines", that are constantly abused, and synthetic crap from pharma companies. Even hemp is chemically altered into a poison.
Thank you W.Bryan Hubbard, Esquire and Secretary Kennedy for going OUTSIDE THE BOX to HEAL humanity with mental illnesses. I will never tire of thanking President Trump for allowing Secretary Kennedy to GO WILD….."Go, Kennedy, Go"!!!
Robert, perhaps you can make Psilocybin a measured OTC mental and spiritual health supplement, similar to to using Methylated vitamins.
Wow. Thank you for this. It's my hope that Ibogaine (however it's spelled) will become a thing, here in America. I'm never going to frickin' Mexico for it.
AWESOME podcast!! Very informative. You go Robert!!
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I believe psychedelic medicine has a place in our country. Blind prejudice has no place in medicine .
FUCKING STUPIDITY OVERWHELMS MY LIFE AND I WANT FUCKING STUPIDITY OUT OF IT
we had to segregate from the minds of the british and now i want to segregate from you people and your ignorance
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For ages 10-14 and 25-34: Suicide is the second leading cause of death.
For ages 15-24: Suicide is the third leading cause of death.
It is important to note that suicide is the second leading cause of death for people ages 10-34.
In 2022, suicide was the 11th leading cause of death overall in the United States.
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– Literacy rates: Approximately 79% of U.S. adults are considered literate, while 21% are illiterate.
Skill level: 54% of adults aged 16-74 read at a level below the equivalent of a sixth-grade education.
– Economic impact: Low adult literacy costs the U.S. economy up to $2.2 trillion annually due to lost productivity and earnings.
Health impact: Low literacy also contributes to health care costs, with an estimated $106 billion to $238 billion in yearly health costs linked to these skills.
– Taxpayer cost: Illiteracy costs American taxpayers about $20 billion each year.
–>> In 2022, the U.S. had a higher rate of fatal traffic crashes compared to many other countries, particularly when considering the fatality rate per 100 million vehicle miles traveled. While the U.S. experienced a decrease in traffic fatalities from 2021 to 2022, the overall fatality rate remained high relative to many other nations.
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I AM GOING TO TELL YOU PEOPLE WHAT REALITY IS… Reality… is ETERNITY… the end meeting the beginning… ouroboros… because that is consciousness… proof in the pudding…
freedom in this existence affords people the freedom, the power and the right to segregate because that is freedom… how else can we win our independance
Sounds sooo risky. 😮