Let’s see what happens when you run down the battery on the Also TM-B e-bike.
0:00 Intro
0:14 Assist levels dropping
0:53 Gauge display
1:28 Phantom gear shifting
1:40 Infinite Turtle Mode
2:52 Dead battery when parked
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Feels so half baked…. Glad I canceled my order. Maybe I will look into it again in 3 years or the next gen
Power off TM-B. On the Portal’s Walk screen, tap Settings > Power Off. This moves the e-bike from a normal inactive sleep mode to a deep sleep that discontinues battery usage entirely, significantly reducing battery drain.
Note that deep sleep prevents any communication or locking functions.
Amazing detail. Really above and beyond. Except! you never answered the one question posed by the title.
Does it stay in infinite-misery-mode(TM) 😉 or does it shift into completely-stranded-mode
would you like to review askmy fat tire ebike?
Seems like an awful E bike TBH
This can’t be normal for the battery drain on this bike or if is ALSO has a real problem on their hands, I’m assuming you’ve contacted ALSO customer support. What did they have to say about the problem?
please make more videos! thank you for this!
That overnight battery drain just sitting idle seems pretty bad. My current ebike can sit idle for weeks and maybe only loses 15%-25% battery depending on how long.
Thanks for the video. It would be cool to see how much the regen will add back to the battery pack when coasting down a hill. Think going up the volcanoes of Maui and then coasting back. I know with my R1T coming back from the ski resorts can add a fair amount of battery % with the coast back down the mountain.
Thanks. Very useful info and tips on how to avoid these problems. Hopefully future software updates and can dial things in for better protection and performance.
What happens when you run out of infinite mode, do the pedals move it forward at all?
I've owned several e-bikes going back to 2008. When the TM-B was announced I looked at it closely. The price was not an issue for me, as I ride my e-bike a lot and I'm willing to pay what is costs for good designs and quality. In fact, the e-bike I recently acquired (to replace an aging e-bike with many, many miles on it) cost 3 times the price of the TM-B. That said, the more I learned about the TM-B, the more I realized it was a fundamentally flawed design – at least for my use case. I want to ride daily with assistance for recreation and to improve/maintain fitness. I am not looking for a vehicle to commute to work. I avoid riding on major streets and I think the idea of riding fast to "keep up with traffic" is a ridiculous notion.
I test rode the TM-B and saw it had a host of problems. From being way to heavy, to having too high a step-over height for easy on and off in urban conditions. It weighs 25 lbs more than my e-bike. Too many non-standard parts that prevent easy repair or modification to your adjust the size or riding position. (Who in the bike industry does not know there are hundreds of bicycle seats on the marked because there are so many different preferences on what is comfortable?) Problems such as what happens if the battery dies or the electronics/software in the unit faults out. After tens of thousands of miles on an e-bike, I've never had a battery run empty. That was not my big worry. Batteries in modern e-bikes all have more range than I need for a particular ride. More likely in my experience is the bike throws a code or faults. In any event, with no mechanical connection between the pedals and wheel, it was obvious to me you are tempting fate with the TM-B. The idea of pedal by wire if the battery stops working did not pencil out if you understand the science. There are energy losses at too many phases. Energy is lost in generation from pedal power to electricity, then again from electricity to storage, then again from battery to motor propulsion.
During my test ride, I waited to cross a big 7-lanes wide intersection at a light. I was using the crosswalk and the ped push button. The traffic light had a long cycle and the TM-B somehow timed out and went to sleep while I waited to cross. The light changed and I proceeded to ride across – only to find I had a 90 lb dead bike in the middle of a 7 lane wide crossing. Luckily, I was not run over. That plus the challenges if you ever get a flat tire (I've learned sealants are not a good answer for long term use). It is just one problem after another. I can see why Rivian separated ways with Also.
aaron
I have a specialized turbo vado 5.0 igh.
The battery is about 710 KWH
it uses alot of power.
sport setting
garmin radar
enviolo auto shift hub
i was going to get a second battery but it is about $1,200 new.
i will see how this bike works and the power it uses.
i thought a solar cell with usb-c charging might work for longer trips.
also checked the recharge time for these cells-quicker in the bike.
thank you for everything
bc
AARON
thank you so much for all the info and the test rides.
I looked at the manual and it said you have to turn the bike off if it will be sitting for a while other wise it is in a ready mode.
Very intersting.
The turtle mode is good to know about.
I asked what a second battery would cost and did not get an answer.
I will be ordering mine in the spring.
thank you
bill c
TYVM for this video. Looking forward to more updates.
At 3 minutes in you said you charged the bike to 70% then unplugged it, but the next day it had 40% that seems like a crazy amount of battery loss for just sitting idle.
There’s enough parasitic drain to completely drain a battery in less than a week of storage? What the…
Thanks for doing those tests. Seems like turtle mode should have a much lower gear so you pedal more for less movement (but generate more power).
Aaron, I've had my Also TM-B for about 2 weeks now and haven't received the software update they announced last week. Have you? I also had the same problem you mentioned about not being able to eject the battery when it got low, but the reset button fixed that for me too. And thanks for the videos!
Excellent video! I've been wondering this exact thing and you answered all of my questions. Thank you! I did order a PE this week after sitting on my reservation for two months. Ship date is early 2027. Please keep us posted on how your experience continues to develop.
Thank you for this information. I’m curious, how many miles did you get out of a full charge?